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  • So, Mark now has two separate playthroughs of Factorio on his channel; one solo and one co-op with Bob. Neocarleen decided to split them up, but I don't know how we should label them. Should they be considered as a singular playthrough, or should they be separated with each episode article noting the difference, and if so, how could we make them stand out more from one another (like adding something to the template to indicate that this is a second playthrough or separate co-op run)?

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    • We already have many games (The Forest, Slender: The Arrival, [[[Minecraft]] and others) that are revisited becuase of a new version or personal reasons, the videos are numbered in a single order of release for the games, and a note can be added explaining the difference from the previous video in the list.

      More technically, it's not "one solo and one co-op", it's one 2016 playthrough, Mark restarted and decided to invite Bob next episode, and a new playthrough that just started.

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    • So, should I just place them back in their proper numbered order?

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    • Does this ring a bell to you at all? This person claims they've supposedly seen or found evidence that Mark had a video of him playing Deltarune somewhere before deleting it for unknown reasons, yet I couldn't find anyone ever mentioning this let alone the actual video.

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    • If Mark had a stream or a video of Deltarune even for 10 minutes it would be discussed on Twitter and Discord nonstop. That's quite an elaborate fanfic there, but for something "often debated" there's literally no mention of "THE FAMILIAR PRINCE", or even "Deltarune" and "Markiplier" together, anywhere.

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    • What do you think of the Unus Annus thing? Mark made triple sure that he wants this to be "an experience for those who lived in the moment" and DMCA'd channels that reupload videos. He has the right to strike reuploads, but I believe creating a temporary content is... kinda dumb, in this age undoing something would require not uploading anything publicly to begin with. But this is the problem with how much these should be documented, just have a list? One article with notes? Have empty video articles, short descriptions, long descriptions, audio transcripts? Have them hidden under a subpage or open? I'd prefer have pages say as much as possible, but if the channel's point that things stop existing after some time, the site may be targeted.

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    • Ye, I agree, it's kinda dumb to focus on temporary, 'one in a life time' content in the age of digital media where everything you do is extensively documented (plus, you also have to consider that not everyone who watches you is aware of this even being a thing and I'm not a big fan on capitalizing on the fear of missing out). When he first did this for 3AM AT THE KRUSTY KRAB on a stream, his viewers immediately backed it up and reuploaded it onto several places and others have outright said they're gonna be preserving Unus Annus videos despite the lack of Mark's consent.

      Unless we directly reupload his content, there's nothing wrong with documenting it, it's within our rights. My idea was to basically create these pages as usual, same format, but for the separate channel with a separate episode flow (as in, we don't link them to his main channel). Maybe we can also make another episode template and change its color from the standard red to something like black and white to better reflect the page.

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    • BTW, is Unnus Annus just a collective series, or is it a channel with multiple oens?

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    • 1 channel with 1 series, it's just daily sketches

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    • What's the standard when a livestream has multiple games attached to it, what is its episode flow (in what episode guide do you place it on the said template)?

      Also, is this good enough of a conformation of Bob's first full name?

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    • I like to think that if a livestream has multiple games, then it's not a dedicated episode for those games and put those in a separate livestreams list, especially since there are countless of those on Twitch, or it would require having the next and previous fileds for game1 game2 etc, or a separate navigation template. Videos would still be added to games page. I guess he's Robert then, since he's fine with it, though he's literaly never been called that elsewhere.

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    • True, but neither has Wade, so what do you wanna do with the name, keep Bob or change it to Robert, and we're already going off legal names.

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    • BTW, just wanted to let you know that FANDOM has retired the old forum system, everything's been carried over to Discussions.

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    • Yeah, I've noticed. Really hate the forced updates, but it looks like nothing has been lost. It's basically the same but all questions are visible on the same page.

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    • Ye, they've just been carried over. I did prefer forums though, was a lot more tidy than replacing it with a Twitter clone.

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    • Should Unus Annus videos have some overall summary of what happens in them seeing as Mark intends to delete this channel in a few months? Adding to that, do we need links to videos either since they'll no longer be available or do we just preserve the URLs for some reason?

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    • Also, how did you get the template to count the remaining dates?

      EDIT: Could you fix the starting year, first video on the template starts off on 355 days left, it's suppose to be 365.

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    • I just subtract episode count from 366, and that was quite a typo.

      I'd say to keep the URLs, Youtube won't overwrite then and these can be used in Web Archive. I even think with such popularity videos may never get deleted permanently.

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    • BTW, I've never heard of Norbert Moses up until I started looking at Unus Annus' content, should this be just part of the Unus Annus page, or should it be considered its own separate channel article, even though its already been deleted.

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    • Was there any content? I think it was just part of the joke in one video, so it probably only needs a passing mention.

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    • Alright, I'll give it a mention on Unus Annus.

      If you have some time, could you expand Unus Annus' current video list on List of Videos, I'll create the remaining articles for each of them before they're deleted.

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    • Was just thinking doing that this week, so hopefully won't forget about it.

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    • Alright, thanks.

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    • On Unus Annus (episode) 1st is misspelled as 1th, not sure what to do with ordinal to change it.

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    • At the end of Purging Our Sins with a Neti Pot, Mark says if they were to get 1 million subs by the end of the week when that video came out, they'll hand-deliver that channel's golden play button to a lucky subscriber. Did anything ever come out of that?

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    • Never mind, I found a follow up video to it.

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    • Is there a way to fix this gap between the template and any additional page content?

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    • BTW, is this template used for something?

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    • User:Blakelangermann2/Twitter contacted me on Twitter and claimed that he's blocked (it was like 2 months ago, why message now?) becuase his little brother made some edits while he was away. Considering his grammar and that he spammed you on Outlast Wiki, and now me, I don't think this excuse will slide. He still asks for the unblock and promises to do better, what do you think of it, should he get a chance?

      Just to be sure, he's only offence bad grammar and putting unnecessary dots in the articles?

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    • No clue why he contacted you 2 months after this nor why he's so obsessed with it. Yes, that's his only offense, continuous unnecessary edits across various articles. He made 20+ changes in less than 20 minutes, distorting a number of articles. There's always someone's imaginary brother behind the act.

      One of the reasons I banned him is that he clearly doesn't know how to use a wiki and if you look at his various other contributions across FANDOM, he has been warned multiple times, even banned from some of the wikis, for failing to follow its code of conduct and guidelines. On top of that, he doesn't seem to have the grasp of basic English grammar, as most of his contributions are poorly structured. I frankly don't wanna bother with him, cause his edits are too sporadic and he constantly fails to improve on them, but if you wanna unban him, that's fine with me.

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    • Off-topic, Ethan's last name is suppose to be just Ethan Nestor and he changed his 'name at birth' (nee). Do you know how that's suppose to work? We don't have that where I'm from.

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    • I'd rather wait until he learns basic English then.

      When did he say that? I guess the proper spelling would be "Ethan Mark Nestor (né Darling)".

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    • Alright.

      I don't know exactly, but from what I've seen, everyone refers to him as just Ethan Nestor nee Darling, as to why, I don't know, I've never been able to find an exact source for this anywhere.

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    • Should Unus Annus video list have its own sub-page seeing as its a major channel in Mark's history and it's got an entire series worth of videos? If so, maybe we can alight it alongside other sub-pages (2012, 2013, etc.) on the 'list of videos' article.

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    • Probably. Thinking about it, a table with 360+ rows is a bit heavy to be with the others.

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    • True, I'll move it.

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    • I imagine you might be familiar with Unus Annus' content, so any chance you can find the following:

      • In one of their videos, Ethan and Mark were to give away their nude portraits of each other to their viewers, did this ever happen?
      • Did something come up from their gift challenge, the one where they wanted everyone to giveaway a present to someone in need?
      • There's something they called a green screen challenge, where was this previously announced, I wasn't able to find this anywhere outside the aforementioned video.
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    • Haven't really been paying attention (I should now that it's close to ending) so don't know about the others, it most likely may've happened offscreen. But for the third one I think you mean these 1, 2, 3.

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    • The giveaway thing I'm referring to was posted under #unmasanmas, but I don't think they ever did anything with it, or at least nothing that I could find.

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    • NVM about the giveaway, again I'm an idiot, I skipped over the one part in the video that shows the giveaway.

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    • You ever watched this one? I'm not an SCP fan, so I don't know what the shtick is behind this video.

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    • It's just a joke to add the scary factor and has no meaning, unless the number refers to anything. Someone later went along with it though.

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    • You know by any chance if the winners of #LattAnnus ever got anything? In the video, Mark said they'll DM the winners, but I can't find anything about a potential reward.

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    • Doesn't look like they've talked about it, the only way to find out is to ask them directly. Though I'm sure it's a free shirt or other merch from site.

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    • Why does the wiki's spam filter prevent bit(dot)ly links from being posted (it won't even let me type it out in here together)? Wouldn't let me do it for this video so I just pasted the raw link.

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    • Appears to be the case, it gave me "bitly (Block #471260)" error and a link to some licensing page.

      Not that I like having shortlinks anyway, people can put whatever they want there and checking where they lead takes some time, so I had replaced such links if there were any. Not to mention some redirects can have extra inside them.

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    • BTW, since Mark's father and grandad both have the same name, wouldn't that make Mark's dad Cliffton Jr.?

      EDIT: I've also been thinking, what if we only list people on the wiki if they've appeared at least 3 times alongside Mark and are not somehow directly or indirectly related to him? Since there are pages of people who appeared once alongside him in a one-off video.

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    • I guess that's true for both cases.

      I even wonder if there's a point of having articles for youtubers that joined only for one game, and they probably have their own wikis with better description.

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    • What do you think of Unus Annus' challenge section; is it fine as it is or should something be done to rearrange it? Cause I wanted to list all the important ones on a single page to showcase some of their major events, but just look at this giant drop list (and I've only gotten through the first 5 months so far). My major issue is that the sub-headers are kind of flooding the page, but I can't figure out a workaround and I don't think creating a sub-page would help either.

      Sidenote: I've sourced some of the stuff on the wiki from various Unus Annus videos, what do we do with those citations once the videos get removed? Do we just leave them as they are and just use it as a reference point for video titles and timestamps?

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    • Maybe make a simple list and move the descriptions to correcponding episode pages?

      I think the links should stay for future reference, or optinionally have a second link to Web Archive, all videos are copied there anywehere.

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    • What if I made like an episodic table template in place of the current challenge list; each challenge listed on the left and its summary on the right? Might be a decent compromise.

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    • Also, it might just be on my end, but why don't references have little preview bubbles when you hover over them like you'd see on other wikis?

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    • Sounds good.

      Should it have bubbles? Not every wiki has them, it's just a pretty extension. Added it anyway because why not.

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    • Weird, I thought pop-ups were part of the coding by default.

      Also, should friends even be a category? Technically, most articles relating to these individuals are often Mark's close or longtime friends, so it's kind of redundant at that point. Should it be removed or should we get a better alternative for them, a more professional sounding category if you will?

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    • Yeah I guess it sounds amateur, he's pretty much friends with everyone. Maybe main or recurring collaborators or along the lines to distinguish those who appear almost all the time.

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    • Sounds good.

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    • Should we list each video's editor on the episode page?

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    • Doesn't sound like a useful information if there are no visible differences, and there were only 4 of them who never worked at the same time. It's probably a safe bet any video after February 2019 is edited by Lixian unless it's a vlog or on the other channel.

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    • There are some minor Unus Annus videos that are edited by two other guys, but I don't think they're that prominent or have a different style compared to Lixian.

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    • Did anything ever come out of this video? At the end, Mark and Ethan say they'll donate 100$ to charity for each time they touched their face in a future video while being under quarantine.

      Sidenote, you know what ending theme is used on this video?

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    • If he ever announced it, I haven't seen it. Didn't check his facebook, but he either didn't felt proving they donated, has yet to, or forgot.

      It's just part of game's soundtack apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROBc_MVW-Lg

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    • BTW, you have any idea why The Deep End of Omegle: Risky Boogaloo was ever claimed by a third party? I didn't even know this video existed until I saw that there was a gap between March 30th and April 1st in his videos. You can still see it on other video sharing platforms under the same name.

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    • Since Omegle shows real reandom kids I assume the video was removed for privacy concenrs.

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    • Do you know what outro song was used for this video? I was updating some old stuff and randomly ran into it.

      Also, do you by any chance know what the actual difference is between Unus Annus' touchusannus and quarantannus? Touch is suppose to be them donated cash to charity every single time they touch their face, but I don't get what quarantannus is suppose to be.

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    • Deadmau5's track is even included in the game as part of the cameo.

      Quarantannus is basically a challenge started in Desperately Trying To Not Touch Our Faces and continuing in Going on an Internet Scavenger Hunt, Touchusannus is probably a fan nickname for it, or specifically when the challenge fails.

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    • They actually used both terms simultaneously, quarant came after touchous, but I'm not entirely sure to what it specifically applies to. I'm not past April yet, so they might eventually mention it somewhere. Touchus ended in this video.

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    • Sidenote, any chance you could complete the missing lists for games and videos? I'm working on a bunch of other stuff at the moment.

      As for the Unus Annus table for challenges, I can't recall how to exactly build rows. What am I suppose to change on this code to create a separate row beneath instead of a column for the summary box. Here's a reference of what I mean.

      Challenge Videos Summary
      row1 list of videos featuring the challenge challenge summary
      row2 list of videos featuring the challenge challenge summary
      row3 list of videos featuring the challenge challenge summary
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    • Sorry for the spam, but I've got one more thing; do you by any chance know if we could somehow recover Mark's old YouTube banners? I never saved any of them and he's changed them several times.

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    • By adding |-?

      Found a few banners, don't recall if there were any others.

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    • Where'd you find the remaining banners, I couldn't locate them anywhere.

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    • I ran the channel through Web Archive, it usually has a saved copy of websites for almost every day.

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    • Oh, I was looking it up on the Wayback machine. BTW, why pick this one with a green background instead of the one that had just the banner?

      Markiplier Game Banner
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    • On the page there were two fullsized already so I went along with it. And those are the real banners that go to channel, YouTube autocrops them in the middle when viewed.

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    • BTW, I didn't pose the template question correctly; The example I gave you were two templates in one, how do I list another table inside an already existing one so that the page looks like this (that giant summary box beneath the header) and not like the current one.

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    • I don't see another table in the photo, it's just a row made full width large.

      h1 h2 h3
      r11 r12 r13
      text text
      r21 r22 r23
      text
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    • Oh, that's how you do it.

      I think the example I showed you from Wikipedia are multiple templates, cause I was looking through its source code.

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    • Looking there, yeah, they've just made an autofill for episode lists since they're used multiple times.

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    • Ah, that makes sense.

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    • Something I noticed whilst going through pictures, the only wiki badge without a Markiplier-themed picture and title is Pounced! You got any ideas what the badge could look like, the requirement is do 100 edits within an hour of the page's creation.

      And is the Discord app image planned for anything or can I just delete it?

      Mark's page reads that he has 3 channels outside his main one. Besides the original and twitch one, which one's suppose to be his third or is that some false info?

      EDIT: Is there any more information about Mark's dogs in general? Some vague post mentions their age and apparently Buddi was owned by Mark's stepmom, but I can't cite those.

      Edit Edit: Would it be safe to say that Cliffton had three kids with Dee, David, Elizabeth and Susan, since his obituary states that he had those 3 additional kids and, as far as we know, he was only married twice.

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    • Added the achivement.

      Mark has a Discord server, but it's private and was open only a few times. (Why are there mupltiple Markiplier Manor wikis, how much lore did it get...?) I guess the icon is useless now.

      I suppose it refers to markiplier2, a short-lived Minecraft channel. It only got two series, which were later moved to Minecraft Highlights (not all of them) and "Markiplier's Minecraft Adventure | YogBox Edition".

      In one or two vlogs when Mark was at home he mentioned that like 2 dogs are owned by his stepmom and 4 others by his mom. Worth checking.

      I think it's a safe assumption, not sure it's safe mentioning. I think Mark mentioned having step-sisters like once.

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    • The "E" wiki love badge just made me laugh, that's a good edition.

      That's a lot of mannor wikis, is that part of Who Killed Markiplier series? I'll comb through them and see if they have any info. (Edit: Which ones were you referring to exactly? I only ever found one and another random fanfiction wiki that has a page relating to the manor)

      Should we list markiplier2 somewhere, is there even any kind of source? The channel doesn't seem to exist anymore.

      I suppose Buddi was owned by his stepmom, as I've never seen Sunok with her.

      Do you have any good ideas for a navbox for the very top of Mark's page? My idea was to list all the sub-pages and prop them above for easier navigation; think of something like this (not necessarily in that style, just the location and layout of the template).

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    • I completely forgot, wanted to ask you this for a while, what do you think of this thing for the wiki; Witcher series has a different story between its books/tv show and games, so when you click on the game-related article, the background and its wiki wordmark differ compared to the one from the tv show. What do you think of implementing this for the Unus Annus section of the Markiplier wiki?

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    • Do the web archive videos stay up after the original ones are deleted? I'm looking to list a few references from them as well.

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    • The one in Markiplier's Public Discord. Well it's not public now and it didn't accept new members for quite a while.

      Probably should mention markiplier2 is history somewhere. Wait, it's already mentioned. Mark also briefely talked about it but dunno when.

      Interesting idea for a navbox, let me add something like that...

      That is pretty amazing and I have no idea how Witcher wiki is doing that, but their css has a lot of clues. The point of this would be to tell that it's as much Ethan's input as Mark and it's not Mark's subchannel. A good solution would be make either make a copy for CrankGameplays Wiki or make a new wiki for it. But one is practically empty and the other already exists and seems to be deep in roleplay, and almost dead as well. I'll try doing something about it.

      If videos are saved and not manually DMCA'ed, they should stay up forever, though they may have higher requirements than they pages they're on and may not load.

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    • I forgot to remove the markiplier2 channel mention from the message, managed to find a link and an archive of it.

      I moved the bio back to the main page, I only wanted to move the smaller sub-pages for easier navigation instead of them being shuffled at the bottom of Mark's article.

      I don't know that much about those wikis, they seem completely inactive. Should I just ask an admin over there how they pulled it off or do you wanna just comb through its CSS and see what we find?

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    • Ok. Wasn't sure about that since most wikis with that navbox try to have as little on main page as possible.

      CSS doesn't sound that difficult looking at it, but it will require some work.

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    • Yes, but they're mostly anime/manga wikis, they have stories that tend to stretch for years, if not decades. If Mark's bio ever gets too large for the main page, I'll move it back. I still haven't finished his early YouTube years to present.

      Alright, let me know if you find or need help with anything, I'll be sure to look through it myself once I've completed Unus Annus, I've got like a month left to catch up.

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    • Is there any chance that you can make the CSS mark Unus Annus pages that have the Unus Annus category, cause, currently, it's just tagging pages with the Unus Annus words in the title.

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    • Don't think there's a way to do that, parent selection or child search is not supportent in current CSS language.

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    • What about the new system Fandom's been talking about, does that change anything? Eventually, this one will be upgraded as well, we did receive that notification a while back.

      Is there a workaround for the time being, if not, should we just highlight the Unus Annus channel page or drop it all together?

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    • Possibly. I hope not, but Fandom did screw me over a few times.

      What do you mean highlight? Just listing all pages (well, there is a lot) would work fine.

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    • I mean, they don't really listen and don't add what ppl asked them to in the first place, even after listing those stupid surveys.

      No, I mean, just do alt. wiki wordmark and background for the Unus Annus channel article, what do you think? Or do we just drop it for now since there's no alt. solutioon.

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    • I've already added wiki wordmark and background for the Unus Annus channel article, I don't get it.

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    • Oh, never mind, I didn't see they were already up on the page. Ignore my statement.

      I actually wanted to make a separate background and wordmark for the unus annus article. The background can just be Mark and Ethan in their suits, but I was wondering, do the background's settings apply for both images? Like, how the current wiki background infinitely multiples, is that rule applied for the unus annus one as well or can it be separate?

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    • Ok, check how does it look now. I'll lookup how to not write repetetive elements, or it's going to be a lot of long lists. You can always see how it's done here.

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    • There any way to force the Unus Annus background the wrap around the article, cause the position of it changes pending on your resolution. Examples: [1] [2] [3]

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    • Should we just keep listing other pages under Local.css or find a way to avoid copy-pasting so much code?

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    • Should have already been a thing, but I've fixed it.

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    • Here's something weird that I've never seen before, I went to check on their basic UA bio, and I saw the channel's founding date change from time to time (screens: [1], [2]). What in the world is causing this?

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    • Are Unus Annus video pages also suppose to have a solid black background or are we keeping the current solid gray? Cause the ones listed on the css at the moment are mixed.

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    • Do you remember where this box is located at? I want to remove those upper notices, they don't serve any purpose, no one reads them and they just clutter the edit page. Plus, they don't show up for people using visual or phone editors.

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    • Ok, hide the edit notice.

      For CSS I'm waiting to js edit to get verified (importing scripts from dev wiki shouldn't be reviewd tbh) before continuing, I want just one list of pages with what colors they change, not a copy of a list for every page element.

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    • Ah, alright. What happens after they get verified, are they just gonna get moved to the wiki's CSS instead of the custom one and we just work on those after?

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    • It would just (hopefuly) enables a function to have one list of pages to apply new style, since you can't pick multiple targets at once without this tweak.

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    • That'd be perfect.

      BTW, you're prob. aware of this, but our Wiki's gonna get upgrade soon, you should save anything if you have any threads and messages lying around that you need, otherwise they'll disappear from walls, and will only be visible under your contribution history.

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    • Is it possible to add a command to Unus Annus template to make an exception for either Mark or Ethan's appearance in the video? The two appear separately in Only UNUS-es May Watch This Video and Only ANNUS-es May Watch This Video, so I wanted to make an exception for these videos and just list one person instead of both of them.

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    • As well as the black lives matter video, it's completely blank, with only a single image being shown throughout the entire video. Should that one count as well, seeing as no one makes an appearance?

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    • Do you know anything about Alex Tima, the personal trainer guy who appeared in some of their exercise videos on Unus Annus, was he ever their trainer?

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    • I'll add that exception option.

      Ah yeah, he appeared inA Day in the Life of Markiplier, Mark was exercising regularly since Januray iirc.

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    • Has the Unus Annus addition been approved?

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    • Sidenote, do you remember where this image is from? I feel like it's one of Mark's older FNaF-related video thumbnails, but I can't seem to find it.

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    • You should change UnusAnnus template's font to white, cause the current black one blends in with the black background.

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    • Or rather, why not just give it a gray background, I think it would fit more than for the template to just be transparent.

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    • Decided to ditch the script since it doesn't actually make the css shorter, it just does what I've done anyway automatic, so there's no point. It should work on every UN page made so far until more added.

      It's the thumbnail of HONESTLY TERRIFYING, or even more specifically, from here.

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    • Ye, it looks really good and it did everything automatically.

      The black headers on the template are still invisible, since the template is still transparent. Should we change their colors or just make a solid gray background for the template to match the wiki?

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    • What headers? Everything looks fine now as far as I see.

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    • You see these black bars? They blend in with the background. Should we change their colors or just make a gray background within the template?

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    • I'm slowly catching up with Unus Annus stuff, but I still haven't seen most of it. Are you familiar with their SCP stuff on the channel? Apparently, at one point, they redesigned their Unus Annus alter-egos to act like SCP monsters or something.

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    • Also, are you by any chance able to find anything relating to Mark's mother's birthdate? There's no reference on her page and I have no clue where it comes from. There are others as well, but I can't confirm which one's her's.

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    • You mean the ending of Hiding Our Sins from Amy's Holy Peepers? Other than than, We Accidentally Made an SCP While Amy Was Away and Don't Go in the Ocean... Ever. don't think they've ever mentioned any SCP.

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    • Cause I've seen people using SCP-11325-2 and SCP-11325-1 for them and I have no idea where it came from, unless it's just fan-fiction.

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    • Yes, it's a joke at the end of Hiding Our Sins from Amy's Holy Peepers. SCP fans (or Unus Annus Wiki) really wanted to make it more elaborate.

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    • Oh, Guess I missed that part.

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    • Learning to Cry on Command to Increase Our YouTube Views doesn't get auto-tagged as an Unus Annus page for some reason. It's still a regular wiki theme.

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